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    Default Police investigating surprisingly able wheelchair fans at the world cup


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    Thumbs down

    Those are the same people, same country, that has had human stampedes at soccer matches where people died as a result. I find it a boring game myself.
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    What a bunch of cheating idiots...GRRRRRR!!!
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    There are comments from disabled people that they still have the ability to stand, just not walk very far. Many may be cheating but some might have something like MS you can't see. Let's see what the investigation shows.
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    What a bunch of cheating idiots...GRRRRRR!!!
    Yeah, I take this back, until further notice!
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    I didn't read the comments but I'm concerned that this is an issue. It's the same issue I often have using my wheelchair.

    I doubt that I could "leap" out of it on the best of days but I do get up out of it often. Maybe with an adrenaline rush, in the excitement of watching a thrilling game, I could "leap" out of it.

    Is it really anybody else's business why someone is using a wheelchair--other than the business of authorities in charge of seating and transportation issues, and medical professionals in charge of prescribing mobility aids?

    Why do there need to be so many self-appointed monitors of other people's medical conditions among the general public? Maybe the general public has too much leisure time....

    I know why I need a wheelchair. My doctors know too. They prescribed it. No questions asked. No bribery involved, either--LOL.

    I don't feel as if I owe strangers an explanation. They wouldn't wait around long enough to hear the long list of problems I have with walking, anyway.

    I've been called quite a few names over the years by van drivers and other strangers. I'm not about to sit in that wheelchair just to pretend I can't walk. I get up and out of it as needed, and I don't care if anyone has a problem with that.

    Example: I was toting my bag of trash to the dumpster one day, something tenants in this building need to do, and I was passing through the parking lot, going by the front patio where people sometimes sit.

    A couple of tenants I'd never exchanged two words with and wasn't even sure of their names started yelling at me from the patio. I don't hear so well but one has a very loud voice and I heard the word "fraud" being yelled at me.

    I went out of my way to go to them and asked them if they were talking about me and what they'd said. They didn't mind telling me to my face: "We see you walking around here all the time and using a wheelchair just to go to the doctor. You're a fraud and a liar!"

    I tried to say a few words but every time they interrupted me with "Shut up!" "Get outa here!" and "Go to hell!"

    Some other tenants love these two guys, who sit out there often and make sure nobody's car gets dinged or broken into.

    This incident was a couple of years ago. I told them I could report them for hostile behavior. I haven't had a problem with either of them since though I didn't report them. I'm not one to report people.

    The point was that I could have. Maybe they decided not to mess with me.

    Would anyone WANT to use a wheelchair by choice?

    I don't sit anywhere else, and I sit most of the time. I can't sit anywhere else because I don't have much left to sit down with. To put it bluntly, my rear end is wasted. I find this hard to explain to anyone and so I just say I prefer to sit in my wheelchair if I'm offered a different seat. Other seats are painful for me after a maximum of 20 minutes. There are a few exceptions but very few.
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    You're too kind, Agate. Their *** would have been grass, if it had been me!!!
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    I don't usually challenge people who claim some sort of disability although I do wonder about those who I see in wheelchairs at the airport, enjoying the faster escort services through security and onto the plane, then see them later on the cruise ship, walking the length of the ship tp get tp their favorite bar....
    ...I am not a doctor nor medical professional, and don't pretend to be one, here... :o

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    Agate, the only time I almost ever go anywhere, it is to the grocery store. If I feel pretty strong, and only need one or two things, I use a push cart. Hanging onto it helps me keep my balance.

    If I have a lot to buy, I use the electric cart. I walk from the car to get those carts, and walk back to the car when I return the cart after it's unloaded. I started using the electric carts after I fell in the floor doing a big shop with a push cart.

    But everyone there knows me, and understands why sometimes I walk, sometimes I use a powered cart.

    Sorry you had to go through that. What jerks!
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    ((((((HUGS TO ALL)))))) ~

    People, who are ambulatory, or semi-ambulatory, use wheelchairs for distances (like, parking lot to stadium) for a wide range of medical reasons. Diabetes, COPD, rheumatoid arthritis, heart issues, etc. A stigma seems to be attached to people, who use wheelchairs or handicapped parking placards. Unless one is completely paralyzed, the assumption by casual onlookers is that you don't need the chair or the space.

    (((Agate))) ~ I'm so sorry that your neighbors mistreated you so terribly. They are reflecting a common ignorance about disabling conditions and the myriad ways symptoms exhibit in individuals. Instead of verbally assaulting you, they could have asked you, "why do you use a wheelchair sometimes?" You could have explained MS to them, enlightened them, and possibly changed their point of view. But sometimes, when confronted with mediocre minds, it's difficult to be a great spirit. (Al Einstein)

    A drunken concert goer stumbled his way down to the w/c area, where my boys and I were sitting (in the 80s). He slurred, "How come you get good seats, and we're stuck up there?"

    I was angry, but I tried to keep my cool for my boys. I responded tersely, "Because you can walk. And they can't. How about you walking back up to your seat, because you can, or I signal for security?"

    My neighbor used to leave for work at the same time every morning, when I was loading Michael onto his wheelchair school bus. Like clockwork, every morning, she'd pull up behind the bus, honk her horn, and yell, "Can't you do this any faster? I'm going to be late for work!"

    Finally, one morning I was in a foul mood, and I yelled back at her, "Can't you get your lazy rear end out of bed a 1/2 hour earlier?"

    Of course, I have a million more examples, but I'll spare you!

    I enlarged the Twitter photo with the article, and I saw one woman in a wheelchair, standing up apparently cheering. Unless she was screaming for someone to rescue her from this yawn of a game ... which is what I'd be doing, unless I was there with my soccer loving husband, of course. The man to the right of the woman is standing up from a regular stadium chair.

    So how many phony wheelchair users are involved in this "scandal?" I was expecting to see a row of w/c users on their feet and jumping up and down. Is this much ado about ... nothing? I guess we'll see as the scandal unfolds.

    Meanwhile, players are being knocked unconscious on the pitch (field) and allowed to return to the game after they get up. I had to leave the room, and I told my husband that I can't watch people destroy their brains for sport. My sons were born with neurological impairments, which I've spent their lifetimes trying to repair or mitigate at least. How can I watch, let alone enjoy watching, men knocking balls off of their heads, falling on the ground, or being kneed in the temple? This is called BRAIN DAMAGE.

    And it very well may result in these players being in wheelchairs someday, watching a World Cup from the stands.

    Thus ends my rant. Thank you for allowing me to spill it here.

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