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    I feel quite uncomfortable that brain disorders, or medical illnesses affecting brain function, such as schizophrenia, bipolar, ADHD, etc are listed under a category of behavioral disorders. As NAMI says ... they are medical illnesses. They run in my family and they are not due to their behavior any more than you would list Alzheimer's as a behavioral disorder. The affected brain function may affect behavior, but so does a brain tumor or Addison's Disease.

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    hey everyone!

    i'm with naomi on this one.

    i hate that the "diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders" still lists tourette syndrome as a mental disorder. it is obviously a neurological disorder and even a medical disorder (and i even think no distinction should be made between neurological and medical). i think all the above conditions mentioned by naomi do have a neurological reason behind them, most probably related to brain neurotransmitters.

    how about thinking with enlightenment and perhaps changing the name of the heading to "neurological behavioral disorders" (how does that name sound to you, naomi?)? after all, many disorders that are now brain chemical related were thought to be mental disorders a long time ago.

    thanks for your consideration of this,
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    I agree with both of you. Some of the medications can cause behavioral disorders. Bipolar disorder is listed in side effects of some of the AED's. I believe it would've been best, to have these forums under Neurological Disorders and Injury.
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    I don't want behavioral in it at all -- as if the behavior is the reason for the illness/diagnosis, rather than there being a medical reason for the behavior (i.e the cause of the diagnosis is the cause for any behaviors seen). This labeling perpetuates stigma and misunderstanding. A person with schizophrenia can sit right beside you in a class all semester long and you would never know he/she is hearing voices, or that anything at all is wrong. It is not "behavioral." The person doesn't have to "act crazy" to still be diagnosed with the illness affecting their brain function in some way. And then there are the cases of schizophrenia where the symptoms clear up from getting rid of gluten and/or casein from their diet. Why in heavens name would that be considered behavioral? It is insulting. Tourettes is just one more of many that the problem affects behavior but it is not the person's behavior causing the problem.

    Please, I hope this is changed. I know it mimics what is on the NeuroTalk boards, but I think it is just as reprehensible there, as well.

    This is BRAIN Talk.

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    naomi has hit the nail on the head!

    behavior shouldn't be in the description at all. it should go in the forums where michelle said...neurological disorders and injury.

    i have 4 of the 7 disorders listed and 2 of my children were diagnosed with adhd as children. i would hate for us to be labelled as "behavior problems" in ANY possible setting.

    yes, this is BRAIN talk :).

    let's BRAINstorm and change this as soon as possible.

    please.

    thank you for sharing and caring,
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    wholeheartedly agree with everything said.

    and btw Hi everyone... (((Jeannie, Naomi))) long time no see. :)

    i was amazed/apalled by the new category name. change would be good.

    question... for forum leaders: what was the motivation for pulling these disorders out of "neurological disorders?"

    perhaps if we knew that, we could find a better name. (and one that doesn't propagate stigma). a properly medicated person with any of these disorders would not exhibit odd behavior. conversely many neurological problems can cause behavioral issues...

    i mean, i can appreciate a certain distinction, although my understanding is that bipolar, schizophrenia, perosonality disorders, adhd, etc are still due to organic brain differences and/or chemical imbalances and/or neurofunctional differences, even though the illnesses manifest primarily psychologically rather than physiologically... with, clearly, influence on behavior. that said, i have migraines, and i guarantee they influence my behavior!!!! LOL!!!

    back to the "category title" ...

    i'd be ok with psychiatric disorders. i mean, technically that is how these illnesses are termed.

    or, very simply, mental illnesses. that might be too broad, however.

    alternatively, they could perhaps be put back where they originally were... within the neurological disorders. perhaps that name could be changed to neurological and psychiatric disorders as there is often overlap, not just in cause, but in symptomatology.

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    Renamed to Psychiatric Disorders. It was behavioral because it ranked slightly higher in the search indexes.

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    Sigh. Autism and Asperger's are listed under NEUROLOGICAL. Schizophrenia, OCD, Tourette's and Bipolar are NO DIFFERENT. They are all listed in the DSM but are biological, not psychological. Sure they can be treated by a psychiatrist. But they are also treated by non-psychiatric MDs, Occupational therapists, endocrinologists, behaviorists, neurologists, Functional med specialists, integrative medical specialists, dietitians, gastroenterologists, and allergists.

    The only difference is that the parents of the kids with autism banded together to change the social perception so we don't CALL autism by the euphemism "mental illness" as we still do with the kids with bipolar and schizophrenia (we don't call it that with Tourette's either, by the way). But that is the only difference. They are all listed in the DSM. By the way, SO IS ALZHEIMER'S and DEMENTIA. Here is something talking about schizophrenia being "neurodevelopmental" (like autism), with references: Is Schizophrenia a “Psychotic Disorder”?

    Because this is a BRAIN board, and we are not talking about emotional problems, except perhaps the emotional problems the illnesses are causing both the afflicted, their families, friends, and caregivers, I actually have a problem with separating them out.

    Oh - this DSM diagnosis "Tourette's" is psychiatric but this other one "Autism" is neurological.

    "Other Brain Disorders" would do.

    OK. I had my say. It will be left as is, and I will be "good." At least it is no longer "behavioral".
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