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    #16
    ((((((Lostparent)))))) ~

    One other note, I forgot. I noticed Evan is wearing an Ohio State t-shirt. If you are near The Ohio State University, I highly recommend that you contact Nisonger Center:

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    Nisonger Center was a new facility, when we arrived in the 1970s. Jonathan and Michael received superior care, diagnostic testing, therapy, dental care, all under one roof. It was a life-saver for our boys and our family.

    Ohio State is also widely renowned for its medical school, university hospital, and research.

    If it's possible for you to take Evan there, I truly recommend exploring Nisonger Center as an option. At least look at their website and consider calling for more information.

    GO BUCKS!

    Love & Light,



    Rose
    Mom to Jon, 49, & Michael, 32, born with an undiagnosed progressive neuromuscular disease. Angel Michael received his wings in 2003. Angel Jon received his wings in 2019. In 2020, Jim, their Dad, joined them.

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      #17
      No worries on the late reply.

      He has had 2 previous 30 min EEG before the event in the video took place, last one was in May iirc. He has another 30 minute EEG scheduled this upcoming Monday.

      All the doctors he see’s, the ones my wife works with( she’s a gastro nurse), his various therapist all think he’s either having seizures or something else is not right. The only one who does not think it’s an issue is his Neurologist.

      So we are waiting on Monday, then go from there. After that is a very busy day in Nov where I have to convince my wife not to strangle the aforementioned neurologist lol, then see an ophthalmologist, then genetics all in the same day. Then the week after that we go to Cincinnati children’s for the 2nd opinion.

      We are still waiting on the sleep study to be scheduled but looks like it will be Dec. Trying to get an OT evaluation is driving me insane as well.

      Busy times to say the least.

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        #18
        Forgot to mention first 2 EEG’s showed no abnormalities.

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          #19
          Hi,

          Rose is exactly right about the sleep study. Make sure your son has a sleep study! Has he ever had an EKG or heart ultrasound(in addition to EEG) to determine if the brain is getting enough oxygen from the heart? I fainted once and was checked for irregular heartbeats that could cut off blood to the brain, my results were normal but it might be worth checking. I was told the heart should be checked if neurologic problems are present if possible. Another EEG and ophthalmologist visit are good ideas!

          I don’t know anything about seizures but I knew a couple of people with epilepsy including a woman who got epilepsy after surviving a meningioma who described seizure symptoms to me. It looks like a seizure or some kind of usual brain episode. His brain signals are misfiring is some way. My friend who had the ischemic injury to his thalamus had some unusual eye movements as well(eye twitches and nystagmus) as part of his condition, particularly if he felt dizzy(perhaps your son is dizzy too?) but he never had seizures. I’m told the eyes are a huge part of determining if someone has neurologic impairment so I’m ALARMED that your neurologist is not concerned! Bad neurologist! My eyes also move somewhat abnormally(strabismus and nystagmus) because of Cerebral Palsy. I was a late talker. The forum has an epilepsy section here Only registered and activated users can see links., Click Here To Register... that may help. Here’s some other blogs about people with seizures that may help Only registered and activated users can see links., Click Here To Register...
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          Your son is PRECIOUS! He obviously understands you at the end of the video, so my guess is his cognitive functions are good when he’s not in the mist of an episode, but he has problems with motor areas. Just a guess.
          Last edited by funnylegs4; 10-09-2019, 07:43 PM.
          Mild Spastic Diplegia Cerebral Palsy and bad proprioception.
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            #20
            He was diagnosed with a heart murmur at birth, but we've been told that it corrected itself, I don't think he's had an EKG since then unless he had one while under anesthesia during his MRI or adenectomy.

            Thanks for the links. When I get some time later today will look into them.

            I think our 2 biggest concerns now are

            What if this EEG on Monday still shows as normal.
            What do we do if the 2nd opinion is the same as the first?

            Very frustrating to say the least.

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              #21
              ((((((Lostparent)))))) ~

              Seizure activity may not show up on an EEG, if seizures are not occurring during the test. If no seizure activity is noted with this EEG, you may want to ask your neuro for an ambulatory EEG, which your son can wear at home. I hope that they make a pediatric sized machine.

              Only registered and activated users can see links., Click Here To Register...

              Please investigate Nisonger Center, as I recommended. It's a great resource and could provide you with guidance and referrals. Just begin by checking out their website.

              Parenting a child with complex medical and neurological issues is often quite frustrating. It is rare, when the answers are obvious or easy. Every parent here knows that frustration, often becoming our children's detective, when medical professionals are grabbing at straws or stymied.

              In my many years of experience with both of my sons, there were countless times, when the doctors were wrong. We can start with telling me that they wouldn't live to be 5, 10, 15, 21, 30, etc.

              I carefully studied and evaluated every drug given to my sons from seizure meds to antibiotics to thyroid meds. I'm doing that now for my husband, and I just emailed his doctor to tell him about the adverse side effects, which I knew he'd have, from taking a gastric drug.

              I can't even count the number of neuros my boys saw in their lives, who were completely out of their wheelhouse trying to treat them. They had no idea, so they just prescribed whatever the going AED was at the time. One neuro admitted to me that he'd never treated "anyone like your sons," and that's when I told him I knew that from the beginning and walked out of his office.

              Your average physician is going to be less effective than specialists, who see children with complex medical and neurological issues, regularly. So, it's good that you're going to Cincinnati Children's. But, I've also been disappointed in the University and Children's hospitals in our experience. We had a greater expectation than the results of our consultations. But that didn't stop us from trying.

              My sons were undiagnosed, which presented constraints in their treatments. They didn't have a peer group for comparison.

              You may want to get used to hearing the word, "rare."

              Try to find some time to relax, breathe, and release your stress, because this is a long and arduous journey. Learn all you can from the links we are sharing with you, because knowledge is power, and you need to be able to understand all that the physicians are telling you.

              And love your sweet little boy with all of your hearts and tell him constantly how wonderful and beautiful he is.

              Your family is in my prayers.

              Love & Light,



              Rose
              Mom to Jon, 49, & Michael, 32, born with an undiagnosed progressive neuromuscular disease. Angel Michael received his wings in 2003. Angel Jon received his wings in 2019. In 2020, Jim, their Dad, joined them.

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                #22
                Thanks rose. I know we tried going with OSU before ( for his possible CVI issue) but there was an issue with insurance. Depending on how things go next month we will try again with OSU. Dealing with insurance is as frustrating with dealing with doctors most of the time.

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                  #23
                  You’re welcome! Rose is right about seizures not always be detected on EEG and some of the links mention this. I think some EEGs are done with sleep deprivation to induce seizures during the EEGs. I have a very very mild heart murmur as well and was told by a cardiologist that in some people with murmurs the blood can flow backwards through the hole in the heart and away from the brain so if the blood flowed backwards when the murmur was there it may explain the HIE maybe? Just a guess.

                  My advice to you if the next tests yield nothing is to keep persisting if you feel something is not right. Keep looking for a doctor who you feel is properly concerned and listens to you. If you son has a rare neurologic problem, run-of- the-mil doctors may not pick up on things that are important. Keep trying to get some kind of definitive diagnosis for your son. A definitive diagnosis of Cerebral Palsy gave me access to services that your son may also need for accessing his education as he gets older. A diagnosis gives your son better ability to fight for his rights, get more individualized treatments, and a possibility of gaining a community of friends with the condition who can serve as mentors to you and him. I was blessed to meet many wonderful people with Cerebral Palsy. Keep researching and observing your son like Rose said. Keep records of symptoms and times symptoms occur. Keep taking videos.

                  I’m so sorry for your insurance causing problems! That’s awful! Keep us updated please?
                  Mild Spastic Diplegia Cerebral Palsy and bad proprioception.
                  My website for my original short films! http://cripvideoproductions.com/astrokeofendurance.php

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                    #24
                    Having read some information on the epilepsy foundations website it seems to quote “ approximately one half of all EEG’s done for patients with seizures are interpreted as normal “

                    This is very frustrating to read and makes me question having additional EEG’s done. It’s such a horrible experience for him it makes me wonder why I’m allowing a 3rd one to be done. He literally screams the entire time and the look on his face kills me.

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                      #25
                      We are still waiting on results from Monday’s EEG, however on some of the papers work it says he is MR/DD -Moderate.

                      He has never been officially diagnosed as MR/DD and we have brought this up before with the doctors office. They state that it’s to inform technicians that he may be violent or aggressive and it’s nothing to worry about.

                      Has anyone else encountered this on paperwork?

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                        #26
                        ((((((Lostparent))))))

                        First, never allow a label to be attached to your son for the sake of the system’s convenience. If your son does not have a diagnosis of DD, no one can just label him as having DD.

                        My sons’ pediatrician referred us to a developmental center, where they were given developmental tests. They were in early childhood programs for therapy and education at one year of age. This was nearly 50 years ago. So, your son should be getting the same or better than mine did.

                        Second, what a horrible misrepresentation of people with DD that they may be violent or aggressive! That is antiquated thinking by people, who know nothing about DD. We also don’t use MR any longer, because it spawns the R Word.

                        People, who are afraid and do not know what is happening to them, may be uncooperative regardless of their abilities.

                        Say something to your doctor about the unacceptability of this categorization of your son. This is the beginning and labels follow you for a lifetime.

                        Please ask for a referral for developmental testing. Nisonger would be ideal. And look for early Ed programs for your son.

                        Let us know when the EEG results are in. Prayers for you on the way.

                        Love and Light,



                        Rose
                        Mom to Jon, 49, & Michael, 32, born with an undiagnosed progressive neuromuscular disease. Angel Michael received his wings in 2003. Angel Jon received his wings in 2019. In 2020, Jim, their Dad, joined them.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Lostparent View Post
                          We are still waiting on results from Monday’s EEG, however on some of the papers work it says he is MR/DD -Moderate.

                          He has never been officially diagnosed as MR/DD and we have brought this up before with the doctors office. They state that it’s to inform technicians that he may be violent or aggressive and it’s nothing to worry about.

                          Has anyone else encountered this on paperwork?
                          Hi,

                          In regards to the EEG trust your instincts about what is too much for him when tests are ordered. In regard to DD, Cerebral Palsy and most neuro conditions that appear in babies and toddlers seem to be automatically labeled as “developmental disability” for categorizing purposes by doctors I.e I have a “developmental disability” on paper because I have Cerebral Palsy but I have no mental delay and never displayed aggression. I once had a job with kids who were considered Intellectually disabled and development disabled, and they were NOT violent. The kids would simply get very frustrated when they could not communicate what they wanted, and some had involuntary body movements, like I do, that could be mistaken for purposeful undesired movement. I’m not a doctor but my opinion judging from the video is that you son has physical delay like me, not mental delay. The doctors may be rushing to label your son with the wrong diagnosis because one thing docs hate is saying “I don’t know”. It’s more important for your son to have the RIGHT diagnosis rather than a fast one so if DD doesn’t fit what you think he has speak up. The doctors should NOT be assuming your son will be violent/aggressive! That is an extremely wrong and dangerous stereotype!!!
                          Mild Spastic Diplegia Cerebral Palsy and bad proprioception.
                          My website for my original short films! http://cripvideoproductions.com/astrokeofendurance.php

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                            #28
                            hi lostparent!

                            what a precious little boy!

                            i'm not a member of this forum, but i used to post a lot in the tourette syndrome forum. i have ts.

                            when i posted in the ts forum, there were a lot of dual ts/epilepsy diagnoses. in your video, i noticed your little boy was holding a video game control. many parents said that their children had video game induced seizures, which could also be induced by watching tv or any kind of flickering on a computer screen. i think that some graphics here on the forum were removed because of this reason. i don't know if your son was playing a video game or just playing with the control at the beginning of the video. you can look up video game induced seizures if you're interested.

                            i also agree with rose about labels. i hate labels. all they do is prejudice people who see the label and then expect your child to fit the label or not test beyond the label. if a child is diagnosed with a disease (disorder), the label is helpful as a diagnosis. i think children are all on a spectrum, exhibiting mild, moderate or severe symptoms of the disorder. to casually write something on a chart is lazy. i would ask to have it removed, also.

                            i hope you get some answers to your questions...but even if you never know exactly what problem your child has, you still have a wonderful human being to love and help grow to their fullest capacity!

                            thank you for sharing,
                            jeannie
                            Last edited by tic chick; 10-16-2019, 04:26 PM.
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by tic chick View Post
                              hi lostparent!

                              what a precious little boy!

                              i'm not a member of this forum, but i used to post a lot in the tourette syndrome forum. i have ts.

                              when i posted in the ts forum, there were a lot of dual ts/epilepsy diagnoses. i noticed your little boy was holding a video game controller. many parents said that their children had video game induced seizures, which could also be induced by watching tv or any kind of flickering on a computer screen. i think that some graphics here on the forum were removed because of this reason. i don't know if your son was playing a video game or just playing with the control at the beginning of the video. you can look up video game induced seizures if you're interested.

                              i also agree with rose about labels. i hate labels. all they do is prejudice people who see the label and then expect your child to fit the label or not test beyond the label. if a child is diagnosed with a disease (disorder), the label is helpful as a diagnosis, but again, children are all on a spectrum, exhibiting mild, moderate or severe symptoms of the disorder. to casually write something on a chart is lazy. i would ask to have it removed, also.

                              i hope you get some answers to your questions...but even if you never know exactly what problem your child has, you still have a wonderful human being to love and help grow to their fullest capacity!

                              thank you for sharing,
                              jeannie
                              Thanks! Great point! I forgot about photosensitive seizures and seizures induced by screens. That was a big issue with the movie "The Incredibles 2" when it came out because the movie uses flashing lights in the villain scenes and some people had bad seizures watching it.
                              A lot of youtube videos have flashing that can induce seizures as well.
                              Mild Spastic Diplegia Cerebral Palsy and bad proprioception.
                              My website for my original short films! http://cripvideoproductions.com/astrokeofendurance.php

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                                #30
                                We have argued with them before over the MR/DD label and every time they say they will remove it it never happens. I’ve told them he’s not aggressive and that he’s scared because of the unlikelihood of him understanding what’s going on around him.

                                I’m not really sure what else we can do to have it removed.

                                He has in his health record a gross motor delay and a “ language disorder involving understanding and expression of language” neither in my mind warrants such a label.

                                In the video he is holding a game controller but nothing was on( it’s his brothers ) except regular tv. To my knowledge he’s not had an event while his brother was playing a game. Although I know some TV programs can also cause issues.

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