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    Jeannie, I had seen that article and read it, but I am glad I read it again. I got more from it the second time than the first.

    It is a good article and I appreciate you posting it.
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    ((((((Hugs to All)))))) ~

    Howie ~ I thank you for starting this thread, and I also wondered whether it would be permitted. I think the fact that we are on Page 6 now proves that our administrators and moderators recognize that we are all adults, who care very much about each other and our country. And we need to express our thoughts, opinions and feelings on this very brutal election.

    funnylegs4 ~ Regarding checking Trump's food for poison and his added Secret Service security ~ every President-Elect (and nominee) is afforded Secret Service protection. And I'm doubting that Trump's food is being tasted for poison. Where did you read that?

    After President Obama was elected, protesters carried signs of him portrayed as the Joker in Batman, as a terrorist, and called him a fascist, a communist, a socialist, and many racially charged epithets. At a recent Trump rally, supporters burned effigies of President Obama and Hillary Clinton. Trump actually threatened violence after the election, if he didn't win. He said there would be blood in the streets. He also said that Second Amendment folks might be able to do something about Hillary during his campaign.

    I am a Pacifist. In the 60s, I marched in protests against the Vietnam War and on People's Park in 1969. I believe in peaceful protests, and I never support violence in any form for any reason.

    But look at the violence every single day in America and around the world. So much anger, hatred, intolerance. And so many weapons.

    I strongly believe that regardless of this election's outcome, protesters would be swarming the streets. We are a divided country. And we need a leader, who has the skills, the finesse, the intelligence, the calm demeanor to unite us. To quiet our fears and anxiety. From his campaigning tactics, and his history in the private sector, I do not think that our current P-Elect is up to that challenge.

    Politics is a dirty, filthy business, sadly. And this is the worst I've seen it, and I lived through Watergate.

    A legislative aide once said to me that the government is like sausage. Once you see it being made, you never want to eat it again.

    That's what we, the citizens are up against. We get bombarded with TV and internet ads from both sides, ads for propositions, ads for down ticket candidates, phone calls telling us who and what to vote for. It's crammed down our gullets for nearly 2 years, and at the end of it, we are literally exhausted.

    And BILLIONS of dollars are spent by candidates to woo us and win our vote. Just think of the multitudinous ways we could spend that money to fix our broken infrastructure and invest in alternative energy, house the homeless, feed the poor, support persons with disabilities, improve our schools and educational system, and on and on.

    Every campaign has to scramble to find the scandal, to demean and berate the opponent. Sometimes, scandals just reveal themselves without much help. (In this election, that would include P-Elect's videotape with Billy Bush, and of course, the never ending Hillary emails and Bill's infidelity.) And then sometimes, they go too far, such as P-Elect trotting out Bill's accusers prior to the second debate and trying to seat them with his family.

    When our candidates spend their time trying to find the worst in their opponent, how are we supposed to react? If there is no civility or decorum between the candidates, then why are we expected to show those qualities toward each other? The President of the United States of America is supposed to be our role model.

    I want a leader, who is smarter than me (first and foremost), and who has compassion and understanding. And I want a citizenry, where we come together as equals, share our needs, fears, and abilities, and create an environment of peace and cooperation.

    But as long as we continue to elect our Presidents as we have during this election, I know that that is a dream.



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    I am impressed but not surprised with the way everyone is responding to this thread :)
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    I think it's important to remember as well that social media is full of misinformation, especially Facebook, ever since they removed real people from deciding the importance of what hits news feeds after allegations were made against them of bias and they went with an algorithm based on popularity of "likes" and "shares" instead.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...iracy-theories

    This caused misinformation to spread like wildfire through the public, often ending up on mainstream conservative news sources that didn't bother factchecking the stories or sources. Sometimes it wasn't intentional manipulation of the election, but merely young kids trying to drive traffic to their fake news sites in order to earn money through their popularity. The more outrageous lies about Clinton had a LOT of traffic driven to their sites through shares and likes which had a domino effect: it also drove the speed of the spreading of misinformation upon which people based their decisions.

    This, along with the intentional actions to disrupt a fair election by actors with an interest in the results. The orange one having as his campaign chairman the CEO of an alt-right website and radio show that promotes conspiracy theories and outageous lies was no accident. It should give people pause to think about what he offered the orange one that he found so attractive; not surprising considering the orange one also promoted the conspiracy theory of the illegitimacy of President Obama by questioning his birth origin.

    I'm not sure patience is needed given, just since the election, the orange one:

    - is already tweeting, accusing the media of being responsible for 1st Amendment protests, and criticizing people's right to protest peacefully, thus, encouraging even further distrust of the media than he already created during his campaign, in addition to restricting the media's access to his first visit to the White House,

    - has performed an act of nepotism by giving his children roles in the government's transition team. This, while they're supposed to be responsible for the so-called "blind trust" that his businesses have been placed in, which is a clear conflict of interest. I might add, businesses that the public knows nothing about or which countries he has financial relationships with since he has refused to release his tax returns, or even provide the letter from the IRS confirming he was even under an audit. What do his kids know about hiring people properly qualified to run various government agencies anyway? And,

    - furthering a conflict of interest and violating the government rules by posting his and his wife's business interests on the government official website, like his wife's jewelry line on QVC.

    I only hope people don't rely on social media as their sole news source, but go to reliable, properly sourced venues with investigative, credible journalists for their news when forming opinions or making major decisions. As we know so well here, the SOURCE of information matters greatly when it comes to its credibility.

    The orange one has lied incessantly:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywil.../#16f98f8e6d24

    People have no reason to trust he'll do anything he's promised, and many reasons to distrust him, including his xenophobic, sexist, bigoted and bullying, impulsive and unpredictable behavior that we've witnessed with our own eyes and ears.

    I understand the belief that an outsider might be needed to shake up the "establishment". I'm just not so sure the orange one isn't going to shake it up in a catastrophic and deadly way. In my opinion, he's in way over his head, and too arrogant to admit it. I cringe when I see who he's surrounding himself with to lead him through his ignorance - a potential security advisor with connections to Russia, just like his former campaign chairman had? A potential chief of staff that ran an alt-right, white-nationalist conspiracy site? A potential secretary of state and attorney general, already a part of his campaign team, who conduct themselves with such "dignity" and "gravitas" that one told his 2nd wife he was leaving her for his mistress as she was undergoing chemotherapy for cancer, and the other one, whose first wife was his 2nd cousin, unfortunately his 2nd wife found out he was leaving her when he gave a public press conference.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/11/ny...eparating.html

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...second-cousin/

    I think the orange one has given us MANY reasons already to be VERY concerned about his decision-making capacity and his capabilities, MANY reasons to doubt anything he says, and MANY reasons to be concerned about the safety and very security of the American republic and the very institutions that the founders created. I don't feel this is hyperbole. I too am deeply shaken and worried about what the future holds if what he's said and done already and the decisions he's made already are any indicator.
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    Good post Suze-Q. Thanks for all the links. I knew this about the orange one's potential choice of Attorney General, but had not read it detailed in that way. I was more aware of his potential Secretary of State and his very choice way of telling his second wife he was leaving her for his third while the second wife was in the hospital with cancer.

    Thanks Mike for allowing this thread. We will survive, but it has helped me to be able to come here and talk with like minded people.
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    ((((((Hugs to All)))))) ~

    Howie ~ I thank you for starting this thread, and I also wondered whether it would be permitted. I think the fact that we are on Page 6 now proves that our administrators and moderators recognize that we are all adults, who care very much about each other and our country. And we need to express our thoughts, opinions and feelings on this very brutal election.

    funnylegs4 ~ Regarding checking Trump's food for poison and his added Secret Service security ~ every President-Elect (and nominee) is afforded Secret Service protection. And I'm doubting that Trump's food is being tasted for poison. Where did you read that?

    After President Obama was elected, protesters carried signs of him portrayed as the Joker in Batman, as a terrorist, and called him a fascist, a communist, a socialist, and many racially charged epithets. At a recent Trump rally, supporters burned effigies of President Obama and Hillary Clinton. Trump actually threatened violence after the election, if he didn't win. He said there would be blood in the streets. He also said that Second Amendment folks might be able to do something about Hillary during his campaign.

    I am a Pacifist. In the 60s, I marched in protests against the Vietnam War and on People's Park in 1969. I believe in peaceful protests, and I never support violence in any form for any reason.

    But look at the violence every single day in America and around the world. So much anger, hatred, intolerance. And so many weapons.

    I strongly believe that regardless of this election's outcome, protesters would be swarming the streets. We are a divided country. And we need a leader, who has the skills, the finesse, the intelligence, the calm demeanor to unite us. To quiet our fears and anxiety. From his campaigning tactics, and his history in the private sector, I do not think that our current P-Elect is up to that challenge.

    Politics is a dirty, filthy business, sadly. And this is the worst I've seen it, and I lived through Watergate.

    A legislative aide once said to me that the government is like sausage. Once you see it being made, you never want to eat it again.

    That's what we, the citizens are up against. We get bombarded with TV and internet ads from both sides, ads for propositions, ads for down ticket candidates, phone calls telling us who and what to vote for. It's crammed down our gullets for nearly 2 years, and at the end of it, we are literally exhausted.

    And BILLIONS of dollars are spent by candidates to woo us and win our vote. Just think of the multitudinous ways we could spend that money to fix our broken infrastructure and invest in alternative energy, house the homeless, feed the poor, support persons with disabilities, improve our schools and educational system, and on and on.

    Every campaign has to scramble to find the scandal, to demean and berate the opponent. Sometimes, scandals just reveal themselves without much help. (In this election, that would include P-Elect's videotape with Billy Bush, and of course, the never ending Hillary emails and Bill's infidelity.) And then sometimes, they go too far, such as P-Elect trotting out Bill's accusers prior to the second debate and trying to seat them with his family.

    When our candidates spend their time trying to find the worst in their opponent, how are we supposed to react? If there is no civility or decorum between the candidates, then why are we expected to show those qualities toward each other? The President of the United States of America is supposed to be our role model.

    I want a leader, who is smarter than me (first and foremost), and who has compassion and understanding. And I want a citizenry, where we come together as equals, share our needs, fears, and abilities, and create an environment of peace and cooperation.

    But as long as we continue to elect our Presidents as we have during this election, I know that that is a dream.



    Love & Light,

    Rose
    Hi Rose, On CNN originally but if you google "presidential food tester" you'll see Obama and many other foreign leaders have their food checked in case of attempts on their life. Now Trump is simply getting a taste of what Obama went through for 8 years and probably seeing that it was not as easy as he thought. I have to agree. Politics is nasty as hell. It is why I could never run for public office and frankly the reason we as a country are often forced to choose between a lesser of 2 evils is because most people can not stomach it. I like the sausage comparison. I also agree that true kindness is true strength in a person.

    Thanks again Mike for allowing the thread!
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    Safety pins as silent protest and support for those feeling threatened:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...tion/93639074/
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    As protest, and also as support. You see someone being threatened, you make sure they see your safety pin, and that they have an ally.
    ...I am not a doctor nor medical professional, and don't pretend to be one, here... :o


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    Again, thank you all for taking the time to talk. People have been so informed and specific that I am heartened.
    Social media and other modern sources of information make it difficult to focus on truth and separate it from hype and outright misinformation. I fear this as much as anything.

    Today was the last farmers market of the summer season for me. SSusan came to help. The weather here in western MA was much better than predicted. I did well selling the last of my organic fingerling potatoes and houseplants I am growing baby ginger which is beautiful and interesting.. Longtime customers came with gifts for me! Dogs came to wish me a sad goodbye until next spring when they can come back to nuzzle my pockets for treats.

    I say this to remind myself about the goodness in the world. Two weeks ago John had another episode of heart failure and again almost died. We have been married almost 50 years and I cannot imagine a life without my partner. John is home now and we hope to muddle on, work our farm again and feel the warmth of this Amercan society.

    Thank you all for sharing. It gives me hope. It really does.
    Linda~~~~

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    Oh Laz such a hard time for you. I am glad there is some warmth in your life. Not sure why it's called the golden years. Seems more like the lead or rust years...

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