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    You can get it from some pet stores or online. I don't know of any grocery store that carries high quality pet food :/
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    I will never trust any Purina brand foods. Too many crappy ingredients and too many recalls. They use a synthetic version of a type of vitamin K (Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex) that is linked to liver, kidney, and colon cancers in cats and dogs.

    The only reason to include stuff like grains, yeast, soy, and potatoes in cat and dog foods are for fillers.

    Cats need meat, there is no way around it. Their digestive track does not process cellulose (plant material), starches, grains, or soy.

    Dogs are scavengers and can process some plant material and starches. However they don't process grains or soy very well.

    A couple of quick points for all of you with pets to contemplate (with the exception of rats and most birds):

    • Cats and dogs are color blind, why on earth would any pet food manufacture need to add artificial colors?
    • If you as a pet food manufacturer have to add artificial flavorings ... you're doing something wrong.
    • If you as a pet food manufacturer need to use artificial preservatives, you're doing something wrong.
    • If you as a pet food manufacture are using "corn gluten meal", "animal by product meal (seriously they don't have to tell anyone what parts they use to make that), soy, or grains .... you're a horrible company.


    Ok so why doesn't this apply to rats and birds? There have been some studies that found rats prefer to eat red colored food. So most commercial rat food has red 40 as an ingredient. Birds need to eat specific seeds and/or pellets in order to not get a vitamin or mineral deficiency, they will however not eat these seeds/pellets if they aren't colorful. There's no clear answer as to why (that I'm aware of) so that's why some bird foods look like trix for birds.

    I am by now means an expert in pet food ingredients, but the company I work for trains us very well to know about as many of them as we can. We actually have information packets with a Q&A that we must turn in each week. If we don't do them, or don't do well on the Q&A we can get fired. Of course we have to eff up a few times before that happens but still, what other pet supply company cares that much? What other company devotes that many resources to training it's employees from day one?
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    The Purina Beyond is indeed grain free, gluten free food. With no artificial colors or preservatives. And is approved by our vet.

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    I'm not here to make anyone feel bad about the food they feed their pets, claim I know more then vets, or anything like that, I'm just stating a few facts and my opinion. If your pet is happy and healthy then you're doing it right

    Keep in minds vets don't know crap about small animal nutrition. They are schooled on "feed animal" nutrition ... and usually it focuses more on the biological level (and the bare minimum to keep the animal alive) then the day to day level.

    Purina claims to have nutrition specialists, but since the company isn't trustworthy in my opinion I'll have to laugh at that (there are less than 100 true nutrition specialists out there as of 2014 and I doubt Purina would pay for one since they are such cheapskates) {http://animalcareers.about.com/od/He...tritionist.htm). The majority of "nutrition specialists" are actually schooled by pet food reps who have no formal training themselves and not independent sources. Purina also sources some ingredients from China (it varies between the formulas) .... which isn't needed. You can get everything needed for an exceptionally high quality food from North America.

    Here's a little info about "pet nutrition specialists": http://www.petmd.com/blogs/nutritionnuggets/cat/jcoates/2013/july/beware-the-pet-nutrition-specialist-30563


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    I have a friend who is a vet (amazingly we went to HS together and he was a MAJOR party animal) he and his SO are really into dog nutrition. I helped them write a business plan for their project. I cannot believe how much I learned doing this.

    We use a feed that, while it is not totally grain free, it is about ingredient #10 on the list. For some reason the dogs will eat this over totally grain free food. Yes I have way too much time on my hands, to do dog & cat food taste tests. We have a dog that is 16+ years old and she will not eat canned food and she will eat regular dry food if she is really hungry. But she eats Alpo dog treats, I know that it isn't a good food. But she was dying of liver failure and had < 4 months to live and that was over 3 years ago. She gets 1/2 milk thistle pill twice a day and gets a handful of treats. So........

    I guess having been a dairy person I recognize the need for proper diet. Garbage in garbage out. In a dairy no milk means no money. Most dairy farmers will hire a animal nutritionist to properly balance the feed ratios. This is a huge business. We fed the goats silage with a small amount of grain and drizzled apple cider vinegar on the feed as it came out of the Harvestore silos. It smelled pretty strong but as soon as you turned on the feeder motors they would run to the feeders and fight for a good spot to eat. After balancing the ratios our production went up almost 15% and we went a whole year without a single case of mastitis. This was on a herd of over 400 milking goats.
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    The other thing to note is that you can buy all the really expensive designer food in the world for your pet...but if they won't eat it, it's worth nothing. Yeah, I know, if all that's in their bowl is their food, they'll eat it eventually. Maybe. But my furkids are 16, 15, and 14 years old. I'm not going to punish them now. We've found a gluten free grain free high protein diet they like, we're feeding it.
    ...I am not a doctor nor medical professional, and don't pretend to be one, here... :o

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    ...We fed the goats silage with a small amount of grain and drizzled apple cider vinegar on the feed as it came out of the Harvestore silos. It smelled pretty strong but as soon as you turned on the feeder motors they would run to the feeders and fight for a good spot to eat. After balancing the ratios our production went up almost 15% and we went a whole year without a single case of mastitis. This was on a herd of over 400 milking goats.
    You have a goat farm? I was thinking cows (like your picture). Until a goat farm (with store) was set up near my hometown, I didn't realize milking goats was such a big business. My uncle used to have a handful of goats that they milked.

    I'm guessing the apple cider trick the goats into thinking the feed included ripe apples. :)

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    Now I feel good about giving my cats daily sliced turkey, grated cheese, and treats. This is what they are really living on, and both are very healthy. I thought I was just spoiling them, and instead was giving them what they need! They get dry cat food also, but they barely eat it. Now I know why.
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    You have a goat farm? I was thinking cows (like your picture). Until a goat farm (with store) was set up near my hometown, I didn't realize milking goats was such a big business. My uncle used to have a handful of goats that they milked.

    I'm guessing the apple cider trick the goats into thinking the feed included ripe apples. :)
    We were the largest Grade A goat dairy in the Pacific Northwest. We milked about 350 twice a day. At first we bottled and sold fluid milk plus soft cheeses. Then we bought a semi and hauled goat milk from southern Idaho to Turlock Calif. While my wife drove a school bus and I worked for the dept of corrections. Actually my avatar is a picture taken when I had the dairy rented out.

    One time we had a 55 gallon barrel of apple pulp and I fed a 5 gallon bucket of the pulp, they loved it. There was a problem.....my wife and kids were running the first string into the milk barn so I ran to see what the problem was. There was a whole bunch of milking goats stumbling around and falling down. The apple pulp had started to turn....into ALCOHOL!!!! And they were drunk.

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